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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby Scattercat » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:33 pm

"Racist" in that he's a caricature of an old Southern plantation owner, i.e. some dude who owns slaves.

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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby strawman » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:56 pm

Few people realize that slavery was ended two years earlier in the Southern states than in the North.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby tbaker2500 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:27 pm

Few people realize that strawman is defensive about living in the south.

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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby eggyolk » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:21 pm

Scattercat wrote:"Racist" in that he's a caricature of an old Southern plantation owner, i.e. some dude who owns slaves.


It's not a caricature, that's how he really dressed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders

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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby strawman » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:32 pm

tbaker2500 wrote:Few people realize that strawman is defensive about living in the south.

:-)


I was born and raised in New York. Don't care for stereotypes.
If the Colonel is going to be attacked, it should be for something he's obviously guilty of... namely, what he did to chicken.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby Etaan » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:46 pm

ZuSquared wrote: That makes sense. :D

It certainly would have been more interesting if Lewis Caroll had written the Cheshire Cat devouring the Queen of Hearts from the vagina out.

Interesting and maybe a little disturbing for younger readers.


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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby normsherman » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:24 pm

strawman wrote:
tbaker2500 wrote:Few people realize that strawman is defensive about living in the south.

:-)


I was born and raised in New York. Don't care for stereotypes.
If the Colonel is going to be attacked, it should be for something he's obviously guilty of... namely, what he did to chicken.


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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby strawman » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:35 pm

Exactly
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby Polecat » Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:05 pm

strawman wrote:If the Colonel is going to be attacked, it should be for something he's obviously guilty of... namely, what he did to chicken.


A certain Mr. Campanella did just that, if not directly, by implication Here (I suspect it might appeal to you) - if you play with the number in the URL you can get parts 2,3, and 4.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby strawman » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:25 pm

Thanks! :)

Wonderful story.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby Richmazzer » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:42 pm

I think a big faceoff with a bandersnatch at the end would have been too corny Hollywood. Finding out Mongoose was a domesticated baby BS, along with the subtle analogy with Irizarry being domesticated by Sanderson (or vice versa) was a nice ending. Loved the production, the whole thing was fantastic.

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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby andyd273 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:39 pm

I have to say that this is definitely one of my favorite Drabblecast stories ever, and (so far) has my vote for best one of the year.

I really want to hear more stories about this universe, and makes me sad that it's so short and only went to two parts. Need more!!

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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby PureChance » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:55 pm

Really enjoyed this one, and I've finally caught up enough to start leaving feedback on the stories when everyone else does :) Definitely one of my all-time favourites.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby dreamrock » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:02 pm

PureChance wrote:Really enjoyed this one, and I've finally caught up enough to start leaving feedback on the stories when everyone else does :) Definitely one of my all-time favourites.

:lol: I wouldn't worry about it. People still comment occasionally on episodes almost all the way back to the beginning. Comment when you get the chance, I doubt anyone will mind.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby strawman » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:08 am

Absolutely. It affords us the opportunity to relive those glorious days of yesteryear.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby Dairmid » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:52 pm

This was simply amazing, so well constructed. And expertly told! Something about a political officer with that chirpy voice was disconcerting.

I especially liked the idea of the dangers of space being nasties (great names too, especially the bandersnatch) that may not occupy the same dimension.

Does this world appear in a novel?

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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby Mikes » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:13 am

Late to the party here, but I've only just caught up on all the available (through itunes) DC episodes, and this one stands out by a country mile.

One of the things I love about sci fi is its inherent suitability for horror. claustrophobic space ships with nowhere to run and literally anything could be waiting for you around each corner. This story delivers all of that and then some.

I especially appreciated the restraint the authors showed at the, erm, showdown, not running straight into a Bandersnatch, a creature they'd been setting up for paragraphs as the ultimate in bad news. A bogyemonster you cannot see is always a hell of a lot more scary than anything right then and there. Well done.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby shagin » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:38 am

My husband and I both enjoyed "Mongoose." His only comnplaint was the pronounciation of Nagaina, but it didn't bother me at all.

I don't feel there was a need for a coda to this story. I was willing to accept Mongoose's relationship with the main character at face value, even if Mongoose didn't have a face per se. Then again, it is a compliment to the authors that listeners are interested enough in the story that they want to know more, tell us more, why? what? when? where? whom?

The reading and production values were top-notch as always, although I will admit to wondering at the ballistic sound effects for the energy weapon.


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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby bolddeceiver » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:04 am

What a story. Action, allusion, crazy monsters, what's not to love?

The Mythos connection here was great. My favorite Mythos stories are the ones that show humanity dealing with the unbearable extradimensional weirdness, rather then running in fear. All due respect to HPL, one of my issues with his original works was the brittleness and lack of resilliency he ascribed to human beings -- it seems like gazing on the squamous and rugose (and don't get me started on the "non-euclidean architectures" -- I've seen hyperbolae and I don't THINK they drove me mad) seems to have one of three effects -- either it drives people completely starkers, turns them into mad cultists, or leaves them shaking and dead-set on making sure nobody ever tries to uncover what he's just uncovered. I've known human beings, and I know two things; one, we're tough, or at least in many cases we are -- you don't need extradimensional beings to experience ultimate horror (ask Elie Wiesel or Immaculee Ilibagiza), and yet people go on living -- and two, given a closed door, we tend to want to look inside. Some of the most interesting recent work around the edges of the mythos are Charles Stross's Lovecraftian works, both the rollicking Laundry Files stories and novels and the much darker novelette A Colder War -- in both, the extradimensional monsters are real and unfathomably evil, and yet that doesn't stop the bald apes from poking around where they really ought not (with the expected consequences). This rings much truer to me than the central mythos.
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Re: DC 170 & 171- Mongoose by Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear

Postby eric_marsh » Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:19 am

This may be the best story I've heard on the Drabblecast. It's loaded with new and innovative concepts and the nods to Lovecraft and Carrol are great too.

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