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B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby pondspider » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:05 pm

I've just started a $10/month subs and have set up my podcatcher app to get the DC B-sides.

The feed URL I'm using is http://www.drabblecast.org/feed/b-sides/

The feed only goes back to B-Side #24, whereas the website (after logging in with my B-sides pwd) goes all the way back to #01.

Obviously, I can manually download the earlier episodes from the DC B-sides pages, but it would be great to have them all available via the RSS feed.

Can this be fixed? If not for me, then for others who follow :)

Thanks, and keep on Drabbling.

P.S. I have found another feed (no login required) that has B-sides 1 thru 20, at ​http://feeds.feedburner.com/DrabblecastB-sides, so I'm only missing 21, 22 and 23.

Edit: fixed the URL link for the free-to-access B-sides RSS feed, episodes 1 thru 20.

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby Algernon Sydney is Dead » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:25 pm

Tom would have to bump the # of episodes in the RSS feed.

I just noticed a related problem though... The feed is behind the auth wall.
IIUIC, this might be why B-sides doesn't appear in the iTunes store while other secured podcasts do.

The RSS feed needs to be public, but the linked files would be in a protected folder. That way the feed could be added to the iTunes store, but the actual episodes couldn't be downloaded without a valid password.

That's just my understanding. I haven't actually setup such a system using iTunes myself.

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby tbaker2500 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:35 am

I've bumped it up to 50 episodes in the feed. Unfortunately, that is the max I can safely support in any feed before it gets to large for podcatchers.
There are plans to make those archives available to download in bulk when we refresh the website.

ASID, it unfortunately is simpler than that. iTunes store will not list any form of protected feed.
From https://www.apple.com/itunes/podcasts/creatorfaq.html

Why was my podcast rejected or removed?
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- Password protection
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- References to illegal drugs, profanity, or violence in the podcast title, description, or cover art
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- The words “iTunes Store,” “iTunes,” or “Apple Inc.”
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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby Algernon Sydney is Dead » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:51 am

Bummer.

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby pondspider » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:19 am

tbaker2500 wrote:I've bumped it up to 50 episodes in the feed. Unfortunately, that is the max I can safely support in any feed before it gets to large for podcatchers.
There are plans to make those archives available to download in bulk when we refresh the website.

I can only speak for DoggCatcher (Android). It defaults to 2 downloads and auto-deletes after listening to them. I change the defaults as I have plenty of storage.

In terms of the list of episodes available, I'm not aware of DoggCatcher having any limit. It defaults to 20, but this can be increased per feed. I have some feeds well over 50, e.g. BBC Radio's "A History of the World in 100 Objects" and "Frank Delaney's Re: Joyce" (> 200 episodes).

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby Algernon Sydney is Dead » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:08 pm

Most people do not use DoggCatcher (nor should they). The RSS feed has to support a wide variety of applications and devices.
50 episodes is larger than most podcasts I see, and larger than most RSS feeds in general; it's a good size to use.

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby pondspider » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:44 pm

Algernon Sydney is Dead wrote:Most people do not use DoggCatcher (nor should they). The RSS feed has to support a wide variety of applications and devices.
50 episodes is larger than most podcasts I see, and larger than most RSS feeds in general; it's a good size to use.

I bow to your wider experience of these things :D

What do you have against DoggCatcher, btw? I've been using it for a few years and never a complaint :)

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby Algernon Sydney is Dead » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:50 pm

I've nothing against it. But I don't have any reason to use it either and, from what other webmasters tell me, it's not even close to being the most-used application for grabbing podcasts.
(Most people still use iTunes -- which I have *plenty* against, even if I reluctantly use it myself.)

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby pondspider » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:14 am

Algernon Sydney is Dead wrote:I've nothing against it. But I don't have any reason to use it either and, from what other webmasters tell me, it's not even close to being the most-used application for grabbing podcasts.
(Most people still use iTunes -- which I have *plenty* against, even if I reluctantly use it myself.)

"Most used" isn't important in an age where so many have been lured into Apple's clutches :twisted:

For Android users, DoggCatcher has to be in the top five such apps.

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby tbaker2500 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:09 am

RSS feeds should be limited to 0.5MB. Anything over that, and many pod catchers croak on the feed, not updating. The files they link to (the episodes themselves) can be almost any size.
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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby pondspider » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:32 am

tbaker2500 wrote:RSS feeds should be limited to 0.5MB. Anything over that, and many pod catchers croak on the feed, not updating. The files they link to (the episodes themselves) can be almost any size.

How many bytes does each item in the B-Sides feed take? Allowing for the description on each item and being generous, let's say 500 bytes. With 500KB to play with, that's 1,000 items! Or am I missing something :|

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby Algernon Sydney is Dead » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:24 am

Currently, 50 episode-items take 94,556 bytes.
An individual entry can be as much as 4K bytes.

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby pondspider » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:36 am

Algernon Sydney is Dead wrote:Currently, 50 episode-items take 94,556 bytes.
An individual entry can be as much as 4K bytes.

Wow, really? 4KB... OK, that still allows up to 125 items :)
And if we take an average it's more like 250.

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby tbaker2500 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:42 am

An entry can have a whole story in it, like on the main feed. The main feed is currently 277KB with 50 episodes in it. At another time, it was 450KB. If I push it and up the count, a big story will push us over the limit, and nobody will get the new episode. Damn safety margins.
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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby pondspider » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:19 am

tbaker2500 wrote:An entry can have a whole story in it, like on the main feed. The main feed is currently 277KB with 50 episodes in it. At another time, it was 450KB. If I push it and up the count, a big story will push us over the limit, and nobody will get the new episode. Damn safety margins.

Well that settles it, then :)

Sorry if I've been unreasonably pushy on this and taken you away from more important things... But one last thought...

As an RSS feed, is there not some way to limit the size of each entry? If the complete text of a story is included in the original (on the website?), some way to truncate the RSS entry and provide a link through to the full text? In my main RSS reader (not for podcasts... Newsblur) some feeds certainly do this. I guess it depends upon the settings provided by the website admin tools.

Anyways, thanks for bearing with me and my naïve questions :)

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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby SpareInch » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:06 pm

pondspider wrote:
tbaker2500 wrote:An entry can have a whole story in it, like on the main feed. The main feed is currently 277KB with 50 episodes in it. At another time, it was 450KB. If I push it and up the count, a big story will push us over the limit, and nobody will get the new episode. Damn safety margins.

Well that settles it, then :)

Sorry if I've been unreasonably pushy on this and taken you away from more important things... But one last thought...

As an RSS feed, is there not some way to limit the size of each entry? If the complete text of a story is included in the original (on the website?), some way to truncate the RSS entry and provide a link through to the full text? In my main RSS reader (not for podcasts... Newsblur) some feeds certainly do this. I guess it depends upon the settings provided by the website admin tools.

Anyways, thanks for bearing with me and my naïve questions :)



Looks like you'll just have to get the old clicky mouse out and start downloading manually. It'll help burn off a calorie or two, right? ;)
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Re: B-sides RSS feed starts at #24

Postby tbaker2500 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:40 pm

I just looked into it, and as things are now, we are including the summary for the most recent 10 shows, and bare essentials for those older than 10.
Reminder that there are archive downloads here: http://www.drabblecast.org/downloads/

Thanks for your interest! Keep this love of the DC going!
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