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Rent which? We mentioned 3 different movies: Pom Poko, Howl's Moving Castle and Kiki's Delivery Service.
Of those, I can only recommend (highly recommend) Kiki's Delivery Service. I haven't seen Pom Poko and I didn't like Howl's moving Castle, but Tom seems to like all three.
Of those, I can only recommend (highly recommend) Kiki's Delivery Service. I haven't seen Pom Poko and I didn't like Howl's moving Castle, but Tom seems to like all three.
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I liked Howl's Moving Castle, but Spirited Away is my favorite Miyazaki. If we could just get Studio Gigli to collaborate with Norm, DC would flat out whup Disney butt.
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I understand, but I meant where other people are aware of it.Mr. Tweedy wrote:I'd say DC already whups Disney butt.strawman wrote:I liked Howl's Moving Castle, but Spirited Away is my favorite Miyazaki. If we could just get Studio Gigli to collaborate with Norm, DC would flat out whup Disney butt.
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Oh, to be honest, I don't even remember what Howl's was about. I was just making a joke earlier.Mr. Tweedy wrote:Rent which? We mentioned 3 different movies: Pom Poko, Howl's Moving Castle and Kiki's Delivery Service.
Of those, I can only recommend (highly recommend) Kiki's Delivery Service. I haven't seen Pom Poko and I didn't like Howl's moving Castle, but Tom seems to like all three.
Best Ghibli movies:
Spirited Away
Porco Rosso
Princess Mononoke
The rest are equally good, really.
If you haven't seen any of these movies, you shouldn't call yourself a DC fan.

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oh, and ive got pom poko in my miyazake collection at home. it's great. pretty long, and i guess sortof slow, but the hilarious novelty of the little racoons balls swingin around whenever they run carries your attention through it. it's part of his many environmentalist themed movies- hardcore. i can only think of maybe 2 of a dozen ghibli's that arent centrally about deforestation/urban sprawl/conservation etc. he's like the al gore of japan. but brilliant and actually talented.
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NO! No one deserves that comparison, not even... um... no one!adam wrote: he's like the al gore of japan.
Seriously, though, Miyazaki's stuff never struck me as really eco-nut tree-hugger stuff. It's never as simple as trees=good, internal combustion=bad. Industry is never demonized, nor is humanity in general. It's always about understanding and respecting nature, trying to balance our need for resources with respect for the Earth the provides them. Like in Princess M, it's not just that humans are bad and messing up stuff, it's that neither the gods nor the humans have the patience to learn about each other and adapt to a mutual accommodation. It's all bout understanding the "why" of things instead of just reacting. It's never black vs. white like (vomit) Fern Gully and such.
Al Gore offends me immensely, but Miyazaki never has.
Not to start a whole eco-thread...
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Dude: share, share no matter the consequence. Releasing this thing to as large an audience as possible is goal number one. Once round 3 is ready for the big time, Norm and I will post a rebel yell topic on this exact idea. Its about making this competition as big and bold as a pair of Tanuki testes.delfedd wrote:Oh, completely off topic, I remembered something from last night. I was thinking of people to try to recruit, when I almost posted the mega-beasts on 4chan. Fortunately for Night Owl, I remembered that Sackoon has huge balls, and decided against sharing it with 4chan.
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Oh Ghibli, I love you so well. My new roommate owns Pom Poko, It's on my final checklist, and will put me 3 movies away from having seen the complete DVD discography. Wish I had access to the Miyazaki directed Lupin, or the new new newest release about the enchanted gold fish, but I'll live. With you guys on those lists, though I don't dig as much on the strictly kiddie ones (Kiki, Totorro). Love the epic fantasy tales like no other. My personal list:
1) Spirited Away
2) Porco Rosso (it'd be number one if it actually had an ending)
3) Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
4) Howl's Moving Castle
5) Princess Mononoke
1) Spirited Away
2) Porco Rosso (it'd be number one if it actually had an ending)
3) Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
4) Howl's Moving Castle
5) Princess Mononoke
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Porco is what I'd call Ghibli's 'most beautiful' movie, and I loved the mood and spirit. Like Tailspin, done horribly, horribly right. Don't let my nitpick spoil a thing - 100% worth a view, I was just frustrated I didn't get hours and hours more of the characters.
I perhaps underrate Mononoke, because I saw it out of order, and the spirits theme lost some of the appeal, having been played out so well in others. Also, I'm a little miffed over it constantly being sited as the one, essential identifier of Miyazaki's product (by the critical press, in lists, or in bios), being as I greatly favor my 1 and 2.
You're completely right about the weaker central thread and narrative in Howl's - it left something to be desired. I think it was just the sum total of the fantastical scenes and visuals that made enjoy the final product so. I also 'did it right' : it was my only Ghibli movie seen in theaters (the Disney'riffic El Capitan in Hollywood).
I perhaps underrate Mononoke, because I saw it out of order, and the spirits theme lost some of the appeal, having been played out so well in others. Also, I'm a little miffed over it constantly being sited as the one, essential identifier of Miyazaki's product (by the critical press, in lists, or in bios), being as I greatly favor my 1 and 2.
You're completely right about the weaker central thread and narrative in Howl's - it left something to be desired. I think it was just the sum total of the fantastical scenes and visuals that made enjoy the final product so. I also 'did it right' : it was my only Ghibli movie seen in theaters (the Disney'riffic El Capitan in Hollywood).
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Well, you should watch it tonight then.Mr. Tweedy wrote:I haven't seen Porco Rosso yet.![]()
Bo's description is pretty on the mark. It definitely a movie that you don't want to end. But if they made a sequel, I'm sure it would ruin in.
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Well, I just finished Porco Roso. It was... "disjointed" I guess is the word I want. Slapstick comedy that employs machine guns... That actually kind of describes the whole movie. I couldn't ever figure out which parts were supposed to be silly and which were supposed to be serious. Why is the guy a pig? Is that just because he was fun to draw or does it mean something? How do I reconcile the sad and sober commentaries on the futility of war with the complete absurdity of the final battle? A lot of screen time is devoted to allusions to Porco's personal history, but nothing is ever explained well enough to really understand what the history is. We just know that a bunch of sad stuff happened way back when and now he's a pig. And what's all the allusions to Italian fascism and the fictional world's impending version of WWII? It seemed like it was mentioned way too much to just be a convenient plot device. Other stuff.
I feel like a big stick in the mud, but I just didn't get the movie. It was interesting and some parts were funny, but in the end it just seems like a jumble of unrelated ideas... Which is pretty much what I though of Howl's Moving Castle too. Like there were great concepts there for two or three different movies, but squishing them all into one film just made a mess. It's a visually attractive mess with some fun moments, but still.
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Meh. You'll just have to take my word for it. I can't find pictures that really show the resemblance. (Between Jeanna and Theo, I mean. The resemblance between me and Porco is obvious.)
I feel like a big stick in the mud, but I just didn't get the movie. It was interesting and some parts were funny, but in the end it just seems like a jumble of unrelated ideas... Which is pretty much what I though of Howl's Moving Castle too. Like there were great concepts there for two or three different movies, but squishing them all into one film just made a mess. It's a visually attractive mess with some fun moments, but still.
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Meh. You'll just have to take my word for it. I can't find pictures that really show the resemblance. (Between Jeanna and Theo, I mean. The resemblance between me and Porco is obvious.)
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I'd say it's in the smile. Would have to see you with that little mustache and the round glasses. Kick ass Halloween costume a' brewin.'
Disjointed is a fair criticism. But I don't think to the same extent as Howl's. Once the scene is set by that first sequence, you follow Porco the rest of the way. As for the various puzzle pieces of themes and inferences, I was able to stick them together in to something satisfying.
It's an 'age of innocence' tale, a dreamy, not quite real look at an Adriatic realm gone for good. The War was reality setting in, for pilots with pasts, for pirates without brutality, for a life of lying by the warm water in a comfortable hammock. The world catches up to and consumes such storybook vistas. Porco Rosso is a farewell visit to a world in extinction, a literal flight of fancy. You the viewer are invited to experience its sentimental and silly last hurrah as spectator. America will someday be an imperial power, and not a laughable Cowboy Curtis. Its a happy wave good-bye, a certain dementia of ideals.
Porco as pig is a red herring. My take was just it being a visual device for 'Porco the jerk who ignores reality, ignores his past.' As he touches one of those things directly (like when he inspects the bullets prior to his showdown with Curtis) that veneer dissipates. Ghibli is just being Ghibli with that concept. As I noted as a primary detraction, an ending would've helped. Things weren't tied up and presented as neatly as Spirited Away or Mononoke.
Disjointed is a fair criticism. But I don't think to the same extent as Howl's. Once the scene is set by that first sequence, you follow Porco the rest of the way. As for the various puzzle pieces of themes and inferences, I was able to stick them together in to something satisfying.
It's an 'age of innocence' tale, a dreamy, not quite real look at an Adriatic realm gone for good. The War was reality setting in, for pilots with pasts, for pirates without brutality, for a life of lying by the warm water in a comfortable hammock. The world catches up to and consumes such storybook vistas. Porco Rosso is a farewell visit to a world in extinction, a literal flight of fancy. You the viewer are invited to experience its sentimental and silly last hurrah as spectator. America will someday be an imperial power, and not a laughable Cowboy Curtis. Its a happy wave good-bye, a certain dementia of ideals.
Porco as pig is a red herring. My take was just it being a visual device for 'Porco the jerk who ignores reality, ignores his past.' As he touches one of those things directly (like when he inspects the bullets prior to his showdown with Curtis) that veneer dissipates. Ghibli is just being Ghibli with that concept. As I noted as a primary detraction, an ending would've helped. Things weren't tied up and presented as neatly as Spirited Away or Mononoke.