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Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:09 am
by strawman
I think a little less 'literal': Go Beep illustrates the fact that popular culture is a form of mass influence and, if we're not careful, mind control. I just wonder if there's really that much difference between the culture and the counter-culture.

This didn't seem like a sequel to JP. It was very different. Plus, I was never into Nirvana. Go Beep was not a catchy tune.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:26 am
by tbaker2500
strawman wrote:I just wonder if there's really that much difference between the culture and the counter-culture.
Thank you.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:28 am
by Mikes
tbaker2500 wrote:
strawman wrote:I just wonder if there's really that much difference between the culture and the counter-culture.
Thank you.
This reminded me of the Download heavy metal festival I went to a few years back with 50,000 teenagers wearing a 'fight for your right to be unique' tshirts.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:30 am
by ROU Killing Time
strawman wrote:I think a little less 'literal': Go Beep illustrates the fact that popular culture is a form of mass influence and, if we're not careful, mind control. I just wonder if there's really that much difference between the culture and the counter-culture.

This didn't seem like a sequel to JP. It was very different. Plus, I was never into Nirvana. Go Beep was not a catchy tune.
Regarding culture vs counter-culture, I tend to feel the same way. I see little difference in the structure of the following memes.

Counter-Culture Meme: I think Nirvana is cool. If you don't think so too you are dumb.
Culture Meme: I think Nirvana is meh. If you think they are cool then you are dumb.

Personally, I liked Nirvana. But I like The Beatles, Mozart, The Cranberries, Bach, Chet Atkins, The Police, Beethoven, etc.. shucks even that band that does the ridiculously poppy song "Soul Sister" (now THERE is a guilty musical pleasure...) If someone else doesn't dig my musical choices, who really cares? Certainly not me.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:33 am
by ROU Killing Time
strawman wrote:I just wonder if there's really that much difference between the culture and the counter-culture.
There's a big difference. The culture is a vast star-faring race where the denizens freely travel through the galaxy on super-sentient ships controlled by A.I. Minds... Plus they like to party and get high alot.

The counter-culture is a bunch of grubby hippies that liked to travel around in V.W. vans and follow The Grateful Dead. Plus, they liked to party and get high alot.

Hmmm. I sense a problem with my argument here.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:38 am
by Mikes
ROU Killing Time wrote:If someone else doesn't dig my musical choices, who really cares? Certainly not me.
IMO it all comes down to marketing to teenagers. Once they stop being children but before becoming adults, most kids are searching for who they are, and there is a whole industry out there who's sole purpose is to take advantage of that, and you can see it in nearly every aspect of life which touches on teenage life.

"I like alterantive music, people who listen to pop are sheep."

"I listen to classical, people who listen to altentaive are sheep with black eyeliner."

"I have a playstation, people who play xbox just don't understand."

"I play bass, peple who play guitar just don't understand the groove."

"I wear converse, people who wear nike don't think for themselves."

And so on and so forth. Zach de la Rocha hit the nail on the head when he said "They've got you thinking that buying is rebelling."

Also - apologies to any teenagers - I'm making sweeping generliasations here, I know.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:24 am
by ROU Killing Time
Marketing starts far earlier than the teenage years. My daughter is always asking me for the latest thing she saw advertised on Sprout...

It continues through and past the teenage years, in Cosmo and Playboy (depending on your gender and/or orientation) on your favorite TV shows...

It all ends up with commercials for Metamucil...

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:30 am
by Mikes
Oh, I completely agree, but what I find is that it's really foisted upon teens, forcing them into niches.

At least most of us can make more learned choices as we get older. I for one have no idea what place Ronaldo has in telling me what oil to put in my car engine. It's not like he needs it while he's rolling around on the grass, clutching his ankle.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:39 am
by dreamrock
Hm, I think it's about how silly the battle is between pro and anti pop culture.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:10 am
by tbaker2500
dreamrock wrote:Hm, I think it's about how silly the battle is between pro and anti pop culture.
Oh, I hope so. That would be plot I could get behind.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:02 pm
by F5iver
All I can add is that I played this episode for my 18 year-old daughter and she's now a DC fan.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:41 pm
by ROU Killing Time
F5iver wrote:All I can add is that I played this episode for my 18 year-old daughter and she's now a DC fan.
Oh good. Because if you aren't a DC fan, your not cool... ;-)

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:24 pm
by strawman
Remember the popular 60's counter-cultural message: Question Authority.
People who tried it found that they didn't actually believe anything they said.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:29 pm
by Etaan
Seriously, folks, what the heck is double math? It's such an odd way to end the story I'd imagine that the author considers it somewhat important, but I can't find any pop culture (or counter culture) reference to it.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:58 pm
by Talia
I believe its a U.K. term for a type of math class? Belle and Sebastian mention double math in a song about a schoolboy, and that group is Scottish (I think).

Here, this page has some info.

http://www.charterhouse.org.uk/Academic ... atics.aspx

Although trying to read the entirety of that page makes me want to leap off a cliff.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:10 pm
by Mikes
Talia wrote:I believe its a U.K. term for a type of math class?
Nope (I'm English). We say 'maths'. I assumed it was a back to back maths class.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:39 pm
by dreamrock
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mikes is correct. Between the fact that "double math" nets zero results on the first page of Google which aren't related to a programming concept, and the fact that my math nerd thinks that's what it means ... I'm going with that.

I'm a little surprised people latched on that term so firmly. Seemed like a very off-hand remark. :D

EDIT: I googled "I have double math" and one of the first results mentions that plus "I have double french" ("and between which I'm obviously a zombie"). Unless there's something I don't know about French, Mikes is correct. Double correct. :o

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:01 pm
by G. E. Lee
Mikes wrote: IMO it all comes down to marketing to teenagers. Once they stop being children but before becoming adults, most kids are searching for who they are, and there is a whole industry out there who's sole purpose is to take advantage of that, and you can see it in nearly every aspect of life which touches on teenage life.
This. And I think this was rather the point of the story. I think Ms Whatley did a fine job of catching this point, but in a fairly subtle way.
By the way, as a flannel-wearing Gen-Xer of the 90's, I found the Nirvana tie-in's very catchy. Also, was anyone reminded of Tool's "Die Eier Von Satan" by the closing song? I took it for a subtle jab at Nirvana's lyrics, impenetrable as they often were.

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:47 pm
by Polecat
I interpreted the story as simply describing the fantasy of any teenager who has ever plugged an instrument into an amplifier - to write a song that will change the world - that is the point of "rock" music (for "rock" substitute indie, punk, or whatever you like). I still have that fantasy, and I (technically) stopped being a teenager more years ago than I care to remember. Mr. Cobain had it, too, as did, for example Iggy Pop (Youtube videos of interviews with him in the early 70s are both instructive and hilarious) - that seems to be the motivation to make loud, angry music.
As regards mainstream/counterculture, I think a good criterium is that if you´re making it yourself, it is probably counter-, if you read about it somewhere and try to participate, it has probably already become mainstream. That is why no youth movement remains the same, the youths grow up and the next generation has to invent a new way to be different.
The music was not to my taste, but taste is a matter of taste so that is not an objective criticism - the Creme Brulee recipe would, in my opinion have benefited from a Prozac for Lovers treatment.

respectfully

the polecat

Re: Drabblecast 173- Go Beep by Aliya Whiteley

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:31 pm
by eggyolk
Etaan wrote:Seriously, folks, what the heck is double math? It's such an odd way to end the story I'd imagine that the author considers it somewhat important, but I can't find any pop culture (or counter culture) reference to it.

Doesn't it refer to having two periods of math in a row? When I was in High School we usually had a single long period during the day, which we called "long )insert name of class)". Also the phrase "double english" appears in a great Cathrine Tate sketch as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxB1gB6K-2A
So I imagine it must exist as a concept somewhere on the British Isles. Maybe it's just not universal there.