God is dead

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God is dead

Post by FAIL:SAFE » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:07 am

This may be the most over punctuated and poorly rhymed drabble in existance- so drabble # 2 -->


“God is dead.” Scientists said, “We proved it by making this living head.”

“Impressive” Said God, addressing Head; “Of what are you made- elements and energy webbed?”

“I Think so,” Said Head, “but with bones and cells, plus aspects of psyche like ego and self.”

“Although” Head mused “I do wonder why....” and smiling Head asked rather wry;

“Did they make me from parts of the earth, sea and sky?”

“Good point.” God said, turning countenance to the Scientists instead;

“I put it to you, when you make Head two, try starting with nothing- then we’ll see if I’m through!”
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Re: God is dead

Post by strawman » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:58 am

What I Believe, and Why

I believe that God exists
And I believe that God draws His creation to Himself,
God is not the sort who would turn the roadsigns, to try to put us off His track.
The roadsigns all say creation is ancient. God’s not trying to mislead us.
He didn’t have to make us capable of understanding natural laws, capable of studying signs.

Biblical Truth is not always literal. Genesis is revelation of truth as allegory. Genesis captures the essence of how and why it is human nature to fall.

And so… a Big Bang, or some equally incredible variant.
All existing elements the product of energy becoming matter. So as I understand it, everyone and everything is actually made from dust… just like Genesis says.

But star dust is no longer all that we are.
One day, somehow, the dust woke up, and became something more.
It began to be aware of itself, breathed, stood upright, and believed in a power greater than itself, a Creator.
The dust became obsessed with understanding what had happened.

Skeptics are convinced that a man could not have risen from the dead,
but mustn’t they concede that dust rose from the dead?

Anyway, the truth is that we are dust, and we shall return to dust.
But, in between, we will be something more than dust.
We will be meaningful. We almost all agree that this Extra Thing, this “Life”, is good.

What does this mean?
If it means nothing, then if God exists, he doesn’t care.
But if there is meaning, then there is purpose.

Meaning and Purpose would be proof that the imparting of life to dust
is a product of a will, as opposed to chance.

I believe, then, because it seems the most likely explanation.
Never judge anyone until you have biopsied their brain.

"Be kind, for everyone is fighting a hard battle."
Known Some Call Is Air Am
Spoiler:
Non sum qualis eram = "I am not who I will be"

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Re: God is dead

Post by FAIL:SAFE » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:39 am

Strawman. Very refreshing response, not being on this forum long, but having been on others I was expecting a bit of a Dawkins-esque tirade in response to this.

Id describe myself as an agnostic, having previously spent a long long time being very anti god and anti religion. I'm also a research scientist by profession and training.

I get very frustrated by the dogma I tend to hear from atheist camp, in particular the idea that evolution somehow disproved the existence of god. To me it seems that evolution ( whilst to my mind the most likely explanation for the manifold forms of life and the niches occupied by life) is no more a proof that god could not possibly exist, than any other law of nature, thermodynamics, gravity etc.

From this idea, came this story.

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Re: God is dead

Post by ROU Killing Time » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:33 am

We've got Dawkins fans. We have Dawkins-bashers. Most flavors in between, here.

And some of the most fascinating discourses that have ever taken place among such a spectrum.

P.S. I echo the frustration with the Evolution OR God argument (when engaged from either side...)

Of course both sides of that argument say that just makes us wishy-washy... ;-)
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Re: God is dead

Post by FAIL:SAFE » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:47 pm

It's good to know I'm not the only one. And I have to say after only being on this forum for a few weeks I've found it to be unquestionably the friendliest, most welcoming and encouraging forum I've ever visited. Si thanks to all you folk who help make it and maintain it in this way.

As for theological standpoints. I'm happy to talk with anyone who isn't absolutist on either end of the scale.

I leave you- Proudly, unashamedly (if not happily) fence sitting to the point of splintters,

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Re: God is dead

Post by strawman » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:39 pm

By George, y'know I think I agree with you. A healthy lawn resists weeds best. The only thing over which we are powerless has been some bot incursions. But when the bots saw that we mistook them for actual strange listeners, they left the Shire.
Never judge anyone until you have biopsied their brain.

"Be kind, for everyone is fighting a hard battle."
Known Some Call Is Air Am
Spoiler:
Non sum qualis eram = "I am not who I will be"

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Re: God is dead

Post by InfernoFudd » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:23 pm

What Strawman said up there.

And those Westboro Baptists suck.

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