More than 1,000 dead birds fall from sky in Ark.

Mikes · Post by **Mikes** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:17 am

Mr. Tweedy wrote:Wait, what's this thread about? Oh yeah, dead animals. Weird, huh?

Dead animals and Noah getting sloshed? Could explained what happened to the dragons.

strawman · Post by **strawman** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:09 pm

Time is not kind to discarded ideas. We are so removed from the thinking of 150 years ago that we no longer have any connection to the mindset of slavery. It's incomprehensible. But there were people we believe were of good mind and character, like Jefferson, who probably didn't use Genesis 9 to justify his slave ownership.

Seems to me there's an important lesson to be drawn from trying to comprehend how society can get something so big so wrong: that there are portions of our worldviews that will be discarded so that 150 years from now, people will be laughing at our foolishness in the same way.

Maybe it will be Abortion, or the Tea Party. It will probably depend on who prevails to define the culture and write the canonical history. But one thing is likely: 150 years from now, we'll probably look as foolish as the southern racist you have in mind.

Especially in the event of the zombie apocalypse.

LizPennies · Post by **LizPennies** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:53 pm

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StalinSays · Post by **StalinSays** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:44 pm

On the 2nd day of Christmas....

My god, the partridge in the pear tree is next!

Mr. Tweedy · Post by **Mr. Tweedy** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:06 am

Let us not conflate ignorance with folly.

There are a great many things people 150 years ago just didn't know that we do know now. We don't fault them for that, and the people 150 years from now won't fault us for what we don't know. We can't help it. But real folly is something else. Those slavers 150 years ago should have known what they did was wrong. You can tell they should have known because their own arguments for the rights of men speak against their actions, and you can tell because of the pathetic illogic of their justifications for themselves. The fact is they did know better, but they persisted anyway, because of cowardice, because of pride, because of greed. We don't fault them for ignorance; we fault them for failing to apply their own ethics to themselves, and we fault them for making excuses.

The people in the future will not think us foolish because of what we don't know. They will think us foolish for what we do know but do not act upon. (Unless the people of the future are all zombies.)

Algernon Sydney is Dead · Post by **Algernon Sydney is Dead** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:25 am

Birds are dropping everywhere!
There's a fresh kill about 100 miles from me.

So, is this now officially the bird, no-flew epidemic?

LizPennies · Post by **LizPennies** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:22 pm

Ha... I think you just solved it, ASID. They were officially punned to death.

ROU Killing Time · Post by **ROU Killing Time** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:31 am

Mr. Tweedy wrote: But don't take that as reason to question a man with a big title and a shiny hat. (He's got a hat, after all.)

AND it's shiny.
As for the thread going off-topic. Relevancy is over-rated. (just ask your favorite political pundit...)

StalinSays · Post by **StalinSays** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:41 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/12170571

So basically these birds were Nicolas Cage from Leaving Las Vegas

groomporter · Post by **groomporter** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:10 pm

The latest explanation
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/ar ... ery-solved" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mr. Tweedy · Post by **Mr. Tweedy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:00 pm

Oh my. Oh... Oh my.

That lady makes me feel embarrassed to be human.

ROU Killing Time · Post by **ROU Killing Time** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:05 pm

"Now he's having a go at the birds!" ... The Life of Brian

Were the birds and fish gay? Is it even an issue, since I'm not sure birds or fish can join the military.

Mikes · Post by **Mikes** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:55 pm

Ha ha, she's from your country! *points* She seems to skim over why god was punishing the birds and the fish though. How did they vote?

Algernon Sydney is Dead · Post by **Algernon Sydney is Dead** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:14 pm

Now is that really any sillier than saying the birds were blasted out of the sky by fireworks?

That looked like a sure-fire parody, but near as I can tell, with 5 minutes of Google-Fu, that gal's for real.

(It's even worse when someone from the land of exiled, degenerate, convicts, can mock us 'Mericans.

)

groomporter · Post by **groomporter** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:35 am

You mean amurricans...

I sure thought it might be an example of Poe's Law at first

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

Mr. Tweedy · Post by **Mr. Tweedy** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:49 am

Fundamentalism? Fundamentalist what?

You know, actually, maybe that chick ain't crazy. I mean, it looks like she gets paid for this. (generals.org) She lists her job description as "prophet." If you could get a gig as a "prophet" and all you had to do was get in front of a webcam and blame whatever happens to have happened that week on divine judgement... Well, that would be quite the gig, wouldn't it?

Norm could just deliver some of his monologs in a sober tone, wearing a tie, and people would think he was a prophet and send him real money. Surely the prospect is tempting?

Mr. Tweedy · Post by **Mr. Tweedy** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:16 am

Speaking of people not being able to recognize a parody, a while ago I posted this picture on Facebook with a caption claiming that is proved the existence of ghosts. I was put in a rather awkward position when one of my FB friends took it seriously and posted links to other "ghost" photos, which she also took seriously. I tried to break the news to her gently...

Speaking of staying on topic...

strawman · Post by **strawman** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:54 pm

Mr. Tweedy wrote:Let us not conflate ignorance with folly.

There are a great many things people 150 years ago just didn't know that we do know now. We don't fault them for that, and the people 150 years from now won't fault us for what we don't know. We can't help it. But real folly is something else. Those slavers 150 years ago should have known what they did was wrong. You can tell they should have known because their own arguments for the rights of men speak against their actions, and you can tell because of the pathetic illogic of their justifications for themselves. The fact is they did know better, but they persisted anyway, because of cowardice, because of pride, because of greed. We don't fault them for ignorance; we fault them for failing to apply their own ethics to themselves, and we fault them for making excuses.

The people in the future will not think us foolish because of what we don't know. They will think us foolish for what we do know but do not act upon. (Unless the people of the future are all zombies.)

But it's historians who presume to decide what is ignorance and what is folly, and characterize people's motives so they can distill their judgements, or create myths.
What I'm saying is that the actual facts and context are usually lost in the slanted perspective of the victors, which justifies their own choices and views, and condemns those of the vanquished.
Look at the Church and its heresies, or Communism / Fascism, or Colonialism vs aborigines. Every rationale of the defeated culture is always characterized as folly by those who prevailed, which is the gist of 'History is written by the winners.'

To say that they knew better but made excuses is surely a caricature. Isn't it like blaming Palin for Tucson. If liberals prevail, the so-called paper of record's view will be the interpretation put on events, and her 'target map' will be seen as a proposed hit.

There is something zombie-ish about this mindless process. I'm tempted to believe that people know better, but are blinded by self-interest and pride.

Hmmm

groomporter · Post by **groomporter** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:26 pm

Mr. Tweedy · Post by **Mr. Tweedy** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:26 pm

Strawman: We can avoid such bias, I think, if we judge people of the past by their own words and deeds, looking upon the words of commentators with skepticism. With just a bit of training, one can recognize slant and glimpse the facts through it. We shouldn't judge people of the past by what present commentators say about them. We should judge them by what they said about themselves.

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