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Clothing and Power

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:57 pm
by secretnude
Enclothed cognition gives scientific proof to the idea that you should dress not how you feel, but how you want to feel. Which clothes make you feel powerful? Sexy? In control? Wealthy? The clothes you choose are sending a message to those around you, but also to you, yourself. ... out-you/2/
We introduce the term “enclothed cognition” to describe the systematic influence that clothes have on the wearer's psychological processes. We offer a potentially unifying framework to integrate past findings and capture the diverse impact that clothes can have on the wearer by proposing that enclothed cognition involves the co-occurrence of two independent factors—the symbolic meaning of the clothes and the physical experience of wearing them. As a first test of our enclothed cognition perspective, the current research explored the effects of wearing a lab coat. A pretest found that a lab coat is generally associated with attentiveness and carefulness. We therefore predicted that wearing a lab coat would increase performance on attention-related tasks. In Experiment 1, physically wearing a lab coat increased selective attention compared to not wearing a lab coat. In Experiments 2 and 3, wearing a lab coat described as a doctor's coat increased sustained attention compared to wearing a lab coat described as a painter's coat, and compared to simply seeing or even identifying with a lab coat described as a doctor's coat. Thus, the current research suggests a basic principle of enclothed cognition—it depends on both the symbolic meaning and the physical experience of wearing the clothes. ... 3112000200
When, how and why did looks become deeply embedded in how people felt about themselves and others? The Renaissance was a turning point. I use the term in its widest sense to describe a long period, from c.1300 to 1600. After 1300 a much greater variety and quantity of goods was produced and consumed across the globe. Textiles, furnishings and items of apparel formed a key part of this unprecedented diffusion of objects and increased interaction with overseas worlds. Tailoring was transformed by new materials and innovative techniques in cutting and sewing, as well as the desire for a tighter fit to emphasise bodily form, particularly of men’s clothing. Merchants expanded markets in courts and cities by making chic accessories such as hats, bags, gloves or hairpieces, ranging from beards to long braids. At the same time, new media and the spread of mirrors led to more people becoming interested in their self-image and into trying to imagine how they appeared to others; artists were depicting humans on an unprecedented scale, in the form of medals, portraits, woodcuts and genre scenes, and print circulated more information about dress across the world, as the genre of ‘costume books’ was born. ... r-dressing
Americans rely on clothing as an economic and social indicator because there aren’t official marks of rank such as a caste system or aristocracy, says Dr. Baumgartner.

“When you don’t have a specific system, people come up with their own,” she explains. It’s what “helps you figure out where you fit in. Especially now, with the economy, with people losing status, maintaining a sense of who we are becomes even more important. Our clothes help place us where we think we want to be. ”

She cites the Real Housewives TV series as an example: “
Look at the way they focus on money. When they fight, they use logos and designers as a way to put each other down. They’re using clothes and accessories both as a tool to know where they fit in and as a weapon against others.” ... about-you/

is a weapon and wearing
is equalizing
or dehumanizing
on thy situation.

Thy situation
in thy fiction
started with thy ideal naked equality
until thy necessity of thy hierarchy
to have thy functioning hip
Generation Ship
forced thy social stratification
after many generations.

I do admit thy Science Fiction
is quite extreme but my fiction
hath thy basis in facts
that in fact
we use Clothes
as weapons
and as weapons
are effective ways
to say
we are superior
to thy naked savages that
been considered inferior
on whom we impose
our supposed
cultural superiority.
International Naturist Federation (Agde, France, 1974), naturism is:

a lifestyle in harmony with nature, expressed through social nudity, and characterised by self-respect of people with different opinions and of the environment.[1][2][3]
Many contemporary naturists and naturist organisations feel that the practice of social nudity should be asexual. For various social, cultural, and historical reasons the lay public, the media, and many contemporary naturists and their organisations often oversimplify the relationship between naturism and sexuality. Current research has begun to explore this complex relationship.[4]
"Each country has its own kind of naturism, and even each club has its own special character, for we too, human beings, have each our own character which is reflected in our surroundings."[1][5]
The Bain de Diane and the Plage des Grottes (a nude beach) are reserved for naturists; nudity is formally obligatory there. Being nude is allowed (and expected) everywhere on the public area of the island, except in the immediate vicinity of the harbour and on the village square.[1] On these locations, it is formally necessary to wear what the French jokingly call "le minimum",[2] often a pareo or a string. In conformance with the relaxed atmosphere of the island, this rule is not really enforced, but generally well observed. In restaurants outside the village centre, some clothing is usually worn but toplessness (for women and men) is quite accepted there and "le minimum" considered sufficient attire. At least one restaurant, La Fourmi, actively encourages nude use.

The island sees a number of scuba divers; these generally do not partake in the nudist lifestyle.

Le minimum for you is required thy Space Squire

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:09 pm
by secretnude
Thy Space Squires
were required
only to wear
thy Loincloth that they jokingly swear
is le minimum
above thy bare
naked masses
and le minimum
does mean that they bare
like thy nice
that are fond
of wearing thy Fundoshi.

Thy Space Knights
gladly had pants that might
be a quite
rare sight
in this unhip
Generation Ship
that I must mention
is called Redemption.

Initially nobody
had property
except thy naked body
when they ascendeth
via a spacecraft called Ascension
to thy Heavens towards Redemption
but multiple Generations
hath led
to social stratification
as I dread.

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Redemption viewtopic.php?f=70&t=5327&p=49407#p49403

le minimum

Eternal Dynasties in thy nasty Council of Eternal Truth

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:31 pm
by secretnude
Election to thy Council of Eternal Truth
became Eternal
to certain Families of Distinction
that I must mention
is now
thy Ruling Class

Thy Business and Ruling Classes
dresseth with a degree of class
unlike thy naked masses
that bare thy asses.

Thy Military Class
is new and in thy pocket
of thy Ruling Class
that does get
to dictate
what people of varying classes
wear at any rate.

It was said
that a head
of a corporation
can affordeth to dress better
that thy Lords
but they don't dress any better
so as not to outdresseth thy Lords.

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Re: Secretnude's Drabble Poetry Corner

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:28 pm
by strawman
I try to be careful telling you about yourself, whereas you could fill a book with the conclusions you have posted about me.
I may have posted in this thread several hundred times without quoting a single verse from scripture.
I am unable to be swayed by your volumes of cut and paste posts, but I don't claim that you should not post them.
That supersensitivity does seem consistent with allergic reaction.

Well meaning but demeaning

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:43 pm
by secretnude
Gary DeVaney: Hi, Mr. Christian. So, if you are a Christian and if I am not, do you consider yourself superior to me?   
Christian: In the eyes of God - YES! Anyone God chooses to serve Him is superior to the rest. I, through faith, have become spiritually aware that I am actually of God's "elect".
Gary: So, do you have "assumed authority" over me? Are you waging war against me to break my will?
Christian: Yes! God has given me authority over Satan. I wage war against Satan - and you are his vessel. Satan dwells within you. I shall drive Satan out of you so that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit can live through you. You and your sinful nature are to sacrifice yourself and die to the World and be “born-again” as a Christian. 
Gary: Do you really expect me to believe that?
Christian: Expect you to believe it? I demand that you believe it - or - you go to Hell.
Gary: Is this authoritative agenda you just described what has caused so much destruction, murder, abuse and war throughout all of history?
Christian: No! We are Christians and we love peace.
Gary: So, you insist that I lose my happy, free-thinking life - as I know it? Instead, I am to sacrifice my free-will and fearfully serve your God - which helps you get into Heaven? I am to pray that I am saved and that I satisfy your God's pleasure properly - so God will judge me - and then my Heavenly reward is that I can serve for God's pleasure throughout eternity?
Christian: Yes, yes and yes! Isn’t it wonderful? Praise God! God is authority. You are to obey authority. By the way, you are not happy. True happiness is serving God.
Gary: Says you. Jesus suffered 5 or 6 hours on the cross. That is a lot of pain. But, your God sentences us to Eternal-Torment if we fail His test. Do you view that the punishment fits the crime?
Christian: Should you fail God's test in the life that God gave you, God should send you into Eternal-Torment. God loves you and God is fair. Praise God!
Gary: God loves us? God is fair? Just how just, fair, legal and moral is the tyrannical Christian mentality?
Christian: Jesus and God are perfect - not tyrannical. The true Christian mentality is just, legal, fair and perfect.
Gary: And you display the true Christian mentality? For your information, I feel that I have been happy for the past 30 years. I have a clear conscience that I am a good human being. I do not hurt people and I have never spent a night in jail.
Christian: I'm saved. You are not saved. I believe the right way because it is God's way. You are a sinner and you think wrong. You hurt and abuse us Christians by not obeying us and God. You are not serving God and Christians like a good Christian should. You must obey all of the Bible's 613 Old Testament commandments no matter how your feel about them and if you die trying, God will reward you.
Gary: But, don’t God’s 613 commandments include killing disobedient sons, gay men, and girls who are not virgins? Should I kill them?
Christian: That sacred obligation is between you and God. You are to be like Jesus and sacrifice your life to God.
Gary: But, Jesus didn’t kill gay men, disobedient sons and non-virgin girls.
Christian: Praise Jesus! Thank you, Jesus, for suffering and dying on the cross for me! Jesus had His Own cross to bear. You have yours.
Gary: If you actually support, promote and appreciate human sacrifice, can't you see that you have no conscience, that you are a psychopath? How can you promote these psychotic beliefs with sincerity?
Christian: I demand respect for my beliefs.
Gary: Isn't obedience the ultimate test of respect? Aren't you demanding conformity and obedience to your beliefs?
Christian: God tells us that we must conform, believe and obey to be saved. If you obey my beliefs, you will be saved.
Gary: Sir Christian, what if you were confused and you were mistaken about being saved? Would you then agree with God's sentence of Eternal-Torment?
Christian: If it's God's will - it's right. I am God's slave, God's soldier. God can do with me as He wishes. Who am I to tell him?
Gary: Spoken like a true martyr. Do you realize that what you are demanding of others is what causes war?  
Christian: God requires war to break the wills of the sinful. It's so simple. God wants sacrifice so that God knows who He can trust to serve Him for eternity. God wants your love and your sacrifice. God demands peace - on His terms! If God’s statutes, commandments, ordinances and laws are not obeyed - on God’s terms - mankind gets no peace.
Gary: So, is religion, by constantly warring with the wills that don't serve God on His terms, responsible for why mankind treats man so cruelly?
Christian: Yes. Mankind is sinful and war is necessary to break the will of evil so that God can have His way. God is God! And God deserves to have things His way.
Gary: Do you think if Christians knew about this agenda of "waging war on wills" - they would still love God?
Christian: Absolutely. Shut up! Stop talking stupid! You are making me mad.
Gary: Mr. Christian, I propose that you and I make a deal. Ok?
Christian: Ok. What's your deal?
Gary: My deal is: You don't talk down to me - and I don't punch you out.
Christian: But, Christians are God-fearing. God has feelings and feels that the intensity of a Christian's love and fear is important to Him - so, God can know who to choose to serve Him for eternity on judgment day. And, if you take issue with God, we Christians take that as you are attacking us. I feel that you are personally attacking me. If you do not break and bend your free-will to the disciplined will of God, He will destroy you.
Gary: Sorry Mr. Christian, but I can not love and I will not serve the tyrannical, murderous God that you describe.
me and I will respect

I do respect
as long as you
don't seek to impose
what I do suppose
is your solutions
that might involve religion.

I'm sorry if I erred in my conclusions
regarding you
but do view
that I have no other interaction
with you other that what you post
and what you do post
I suppose
is a well meaning
that can be quite demeaning.

Thank you for your concern
and my life is none of your concern.

If you still have other concerns
do voice them out
a doubt.

So typically Christian

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:23 pm
by secretnude
I don't expect you to be swayed
but you do expect me to be swayed.

If we do keep our opinions
to ourselves then the opinions
are just opinions
but exercising ones' ability
to engage in a discussion
that's an exercise of mental agility
isn't entirely without utility.

You are sensitive to some issues
just like me and I do see issues
with proclaiming 'sensitivity'
when the issue isn't really your business.

I do like to stick to the business
of writing fiction.

Thank you for the interaction
and I sometimes post stuff
here that elicit a tough
Strawman reaction.
strawman wrote:I try to be careful telling you about yourself, whereas you could fill a book with the conclusions you have posted about me.
I may have posted in this thread several hundred times without quoting a single verse from scripture.
I am unable to be swayed by your volumes of cut and paste posts, but I don't claim that you should not post them.
That supersensitivity does seem consistent with allergic reaction.

Maybe I was rough but debating with me is quite tough

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:43 pm
by secretnude
If I swayed others to my position
then that's their decision
that I don't wish to actually impose
unlike some Christians that suppose
that everyone actually needs salvation.

I don't wish to fight
but I will fight
with all my might
to defend my positions
as per your observations.

I don't hate
at any rate
since it's better to talk
than to fight
and to talk
freely is a right.

I do write and quote a lot
and I do got
more of that quotable stuff.

Debating with me is tough
and I'm so sorry if I was rough.

Re: Secretnude's Drabble Poetry Corner

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:27 pm
by strawman
Your usual posts consist of putting words into the mouths of straw Christians so you can make them sound unreasonable. I don't mind debate, but I'd hate to use the DC forums or my time for that purpose. So if you would be so kind as to refrain from posting attacks on religion, I'd prefer to get back to Cosmic Cat.

Media is saturated with Christian Propaganda

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:37 pm
by secretnude ... belief.pdf
John Wesley believed that certain aspects of the Christian Faith required special emphasis. Methodists today still hold to these emphases. There is no more simple or indeed better way of presenting these distinctive emphases than by using the four statements that collectively are called the ‘Four Alls’.
Although this is a twentieth-century creation it admirably represents Wesley’s mind and is certainly more comprehensive than any single statement of his. The ‘Four All’s’ are:
1. All people need to be saved.
2. All people can be saved.
3. All people can know they are saved.
4. All people can be saved to the uttermost
Maybe start by trying to see me how I see myself. I don’t see myself as unsaved or wrong or doomed. I just don’t currently believe what you believe, that’s all. But even though I may not share your beliefs, I respect them. I’ve always respected Christians’ beliefs, but my respect is definitely stronger now because over the past few years, I have worked so hard to understand your beliefs. Maybe that makes me different from your “garden variety atheist,” but not by much (based on the atheists I know, anyway).

So I guess turnabout is fair play: Can you respect what I believe or don’t believe? That would be a much better starting point than “I’m right; you’re wrong.” Even if you believe with all your heart that I’m wrong, try not treating me that way. Respecting our differences will always be a much better starting point for us. I know they are big differences, but starting from “we’re different” beats “you’re doomed” every time. ... nvert-him/
Here is why you should not "witness" to atheists:

We've already heard it. Trust me when I say that we're used to being bombarded by an endless parade of evangelicals, standing on our porches with their tracts, well-behaved children, and self-righteousness.
Making a nuisance of yourself only diminishes your religion in our eyes. We know where your churches are, and we can come by if we wish. We don't need the sales pitch, and it just turns us off.
We're probably more familiar with Christian apologetics than you are. Not only have we already heard your "good news," but we're no stranger to the arguments that impress you so much. In fact, we see through them rather easily. We don't become atheists on a whim; we've thought through this already.
When you're "witnessing," you come across as extremely condescending. I know you try not to and that you think you do a fairly good job of it. But you radiate condescension and self-righteousness while spreading your message.
We don't come to your home and evangelize atheism. Maybe we should, but we don't. Reflect on how you would like an atheist interrupting your family time or attempting to promote atheism with your children. How about treating us how you would like to be treated?

Time to recap. Witnessing to atheists? Don't do it.

Read more: ... z365OgGGt1
prompted a comment from a Christian visitor about how he simply could not help spreading the "good news" door-to-door. In fact, this made such an impression on me, that I asked whether others suffered from this compulsion (assuming it was in fact a compulsion). I must admit that I had never previously heard a Christian claim that he could not stop himself from engaging in door-to-door evangelism.

It was in this context that Personal Failure offered this gem:

"I just can't keep it to myself"

you know, replace "jesus" with "my genitals", and that's a crime. and that's how we feel about it. religion should be like your genitals. it's fine to enjoy them, it's fine to be proud of them, just keep them to yourself unless invited to share.

Read more: ... z365P9Pg5e
I'm an Atheist.

Media is saturated with Theists
that thus proclaim
that everyone needs to be saved.

My claims
have evidence.

My attacks on the Savior
mentality isn't without
without a doubt.

Other Atheists
have voiced such problems with Theists.

I sadly had doubts
your reason
for being
so common
a poster on this thread
that I dread
I may have projected the dreaded
Christian stereotypes
that you may not be your type.

I wasn't the type
to engage in apologetics
of any type
until we started ad hoc
religion talk
and I apologize
if I wasn't nice.
flier on the left is obviously intended for children. It tells little kids that atheists are sad, grouchy goats that will "lash out at children" or even "try to trick you into neglecting God's Word." I especially like the statement that "advanced witnessing techniques are needed for these grouches." LOL! Do they teach these "advanced witnessing techniques" in some Christian Special Ops training course? I'm waiting to meet a Christian that says, "I'm a third degree black belt in witnessing, don't mess with me!"

The whole notion that atheists are sad is laughable to me. Every atheist I know is generally happy and leading a fulfilling life. On the other hand, every time I talk to someone that is having a hard time in their marriage or job or "spiritual" life, they are Christians. I don't think that these problems are because they are Christian, I just think that there are a lot more Christians around. So, odds are, if life problems are equally distributed throughout the population, then I am more likely to meet unsatisfied Christians. The "sad atheist" stereotype is just an example of a preconception perpetuated by Christians about atheists because they "avoid talking to them." ... ganda.html
The cure for a fallacious argument is a better argument, not the suppression of ideas.
-- Carl Sagan, The Demon Haunted World, page 429

Unhip to Censorship but will duly desist if you insist

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:58 pm
by secretnude ... -burn-hell
A Christian street preacher told two gay men they were "sinners" who would "burn in hell" as they walked past him on a busy high street, a court has heard.

In a case which could reignite the debate over the boundaries of free speech, Michael Overd, 47, is accused of using threatening language towards civil partners Craig Manning and Craig Nichol when he saw them as he preached on a busy high street last July.
The court heard claims the lay preacher was provoked by a previous altercation with the couple in October 2010, when he singled them out when he saw them holding hands.

He was spoken to by police, though no action was taken and the prosecution claims he directed the abuse at them the second time when he recognised them, shouting and pointing at them with his bible in the centre of Taunton, Somerset, at 3pm on a busy Saturday afternoon.

The defence claim that Overd, of Creech St Michael in Somerset, did not threaten the pair but was merely exercising freedom of expression by loudly reading from the Bible as they passed, and accused them of being threatening towards the preacher when they saw who he was.
Giving evidence at Taunton magistrates court, Nichol said that as soon as Overd saw them from around 10m away on 16 July last year "the expression on his face changed".

"He said 'I have already told these two sinners over here that they are going to burn in hell'," he said.

"He looked at us and pointed at us when he said it. His voice was quite loud and very clear. I felt angry, embarrassed and ashamed. It was a really busy day and I felt that everyone was looking at us when he was saying these things to us.

"I asked him who he was to judge me and he said, 'It's God's words, it is in the Bible'. He said I should repent and ask God for forgiveness."

Paul Diamond, the barrister representing Overd, claimed his client was merely reciting a passage from 1 Corinthians, which says: "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

He said his client was allowed to use freedom of expression to read from the Bible and accused the pair of threatening violence against Overd, something they deny.
Pastor Rick Warren in the weeks before the inauguration, this one from The Daily Beast’s Max Blumenthal seems to have gone under-reported.

But since the Warren inauguration controversy erupted, the nature of work against AIDS in Africa has gone unexamined. Warren has not been particularly forthcoming to those who have attempted to look into it. His website contains scant information about the results of his program. However, an investigation into Warren’s involvement in Africa reveals a web of alliances with right-wing clergymen who have sidelined science-based approaches to combating AIDS in favor of abstinence-only education. More disturbingly, Warren’s allies have rolled back key elements of one of the continent’s most successful initiative, the so-called ABC program in Uganda. Stephen Lewis, the United Nations’ special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa, told the New York Times their activism is “resulting in great damage and undoubtedly will cause significant numbers of infections which should never have occurred.”

Warren’s man in Uganda is a charismatic pastor named Martin Ssempa. The head of the Makerere Community Church, a rapidly growing congregation, Ssempe enjoys close ties to his country’s First Lady, Janet Museveni, and is a favorite of the Bush White House. In the capitol of Kampala, Ssempa is known for his boisterous crusading. Ssempa’s stunts have included burning condoms in the name of Jesus and arranging the publication of names of homosexuals in cooperative local newspapers while lobbying for criminal penalties to imprison them.

It gets worse and the rest of the article explains how Warren’s support of Ssempa has made the disease rate in Uganda spike up dramatically.

The treatment of gay people by Warren and the people he supports is what you’d expect: horrific and despicable.

It makes you wonder why so many Christians — including more moderate ones — look up to him. If this is leadership, it’s scary. ... m-burning/

If you aren't one of these Christians
then don't feel so offended.

I don't aspire to offend
you personally when I state
why I hate
some Christians.

Some Theists
might have associated
with groups that we hate
and this debate
hath hopefully fixed misconceptions
in the perception
of Atheists
by some Theists.

Christians are evangelical
in nature
for sure.

Please admit
that you were a bit
in our initial

I'm not hip
to censorship
but I will desist
unless I find it hard to resist
to write an impersonal attack
and then feel free to hit back.
In a democracy, opinions that upset everyone are sometimes exactly what we need. We should be teaching our children the scientific method and the Bill of Rights. [Carl Sagan & Ann Druyan]
The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion or in politics, but it is not the path to knowledge, and there's no place for it in the endeavor of science. We do not know beforehand where fundamental insights will arise from about our mysterious and lovely solar system. The history of our study of our solar system shows us clearly that accepted and conventional ideas are often wrong, and that fundamental insights can arise from the most unexpected sources.
-- Carl Sagan, Cosmos television series, quoted from The Carl Sagan Electronic Monument

The Christian Soul Mail to Heaven and why I don't fit

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:19 am
by secretnude
I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking.
-- Carl Sagan, The Demon Haunted World
In the course of writing many posts on science and religion and atheism, it struck me that I was tangentially making many statements about what I, as an atheist, believe. I decided to summarize those scattered thoughts into one coherent statement. Of course, I am not presuming to claim that all atheists subscribe to this statement. The creed is purely a personal one.

An important point of clarification is necessary. When the word 'believe' is used in the creed, it is in the scientific sense of the word. Scientists realize that almost all knowledge is tentative and that one knows very few things for certain. But based on credible evidence and logical reasoning, one can arrive at firm conclusions about, and hence 'believe', some things such as that the universe is billions of years old or that the force of gravity exists. It is in this sense that the word 'believe' is used in the creed below, as an implicit acknowledgment of our lack of absolute certainty.

This use is in stark contrast to the way that the word is used by religious people. They not only believe things for which there is little or no evidence or reason, but even in spite of evidence to the contrary, and defying reason.

Some religious apologists try to exploit the fact that the same word belief is used in both situations to suggest that atheism is as much an irrational act of faith as belief in god. This is sophistry and is simply false.

An Atheist's Creed

I believe in a purely material universe that conforms to naturalistic laws and principles.

I believe that the life we have is the only one we will have, that the mind and consciousness are inseparable from the brain, that we cease to exist in any conscious form when we die, and that it is therefore incumbent on us to enable each person to live their one life to the fullest.

I believe in the power of science and reason and rationality to further deepen our understanding of everything around us and to eventually overcome superstition and erase the petty divisions sown by religion, race, ethnicity, and nationality.

I am in awe of the beauty, vastness, and complexity of nature and the universe, and the fact that all arose purely by the working of natural laws.

I believe in the power of ideals such as peace and justice and shared humanity to inspire us to create a free and just world.

I believe in kindness, love, and the human spirit and their ability to overcome challenges and adversity and to create a better world.

I believe in the necessity for credible and objective evidence to sustain any belief and thus deny, because of the absence of such evidence, the existence of each and every aspect of the supernatural.

I refuse to bow, prostrate myself, or otherwise cower before the deities of any religion.

I am neither tempted by the fiction of heaven or any other form of eternal life nor fearful of the fiction of hell.

I choose to live the dignified and exhilarating life of a free-thinker, able to go wherever knowledge and curiosity takes me, without fear of contradicting any dogma.
I will get back to that
Cosmic Cat
and perhaps write Cosmic Cat
as soon as this apology
is accepted
or even before this apology
is accepted.

Do accept
that I have actually no hard feelings
against you or any other Christians
unless the Christian
is actually feeling
that need to 'Save'.

I might be too big to save
and fit into the narrow Christian slot
in the Christian Soul Mailbox.

It's the Christian Mission
to ironically save
by enslaving
oneself to a set of Dogmatic Assertions
that make me quite unable to fit
so Christians must indeed acquit. ... e_sin.aspx
It is not an exaggeration to suggest that all who disbelieve the testimony of the Holy Spirit have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. The Spirit's testimony is not accepted as the truth of God, and Christ Jesus is rejected as a consequence. The conscious rejection of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ as the Savior of humanity is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
You must think that you are so sinful that God would find you unacceptable.

This myth is likely to come from a Christian, particularly a Protestant. The idea that all human beings are depraved sinners who know that they are depraved sinners, unworthy of forgiveness or eternal life, has long been an important aspect of Christian doctrine. God, however, is loving and generous enough to forgive us despite how horrible we are. If a Protestant Christian sees this as central to their own life, they may assume that it's central to others' lives as well - even atheists who don't believe in sin or gods.

Atheists Reject God and Sin

Not only do atheists not accept any of this, but atheists don't even accept the definition of "sin" used in such a description, so it isn't likely that the claim "You think that you are so sinful that God would find you unacceptable" will be believed, either.
Atheists certainly acknowledge that they aren't perfect and that they sometimes do wrong things, but none of them would find the above description to be even remotely accurate.
Atheists do not believe in gods for a wide variety of reasons, but the fear that they wouldn't find approval with some particular god is so unlikely a reason that it doesn't really merit consideration. Such a position almost assumes that the person really does believe in a god but is afraid to admit it - a related, but nevertheless separate myth ... stsSin.htm
there are stupid religious believers (and stupid atheists), but not everyone who believes in religion is stupid. I might say, though, that religion is characteristic of the weak-minded. By this I mean that evidence and reason are often eschewed in the name of faith. As I just covered above, some of the most common statements about belief are built on fallacies and have nothing to do with uncovering and understanding the truth, relating more to personal convenience. The believer may be right to assume that most people are generally more concerned with convenience than with truth, but the claims of religion are not about convenience. So why would anyone in their right mind accept a truth claim that is put forward solely with an argument for the convenience it brings if you accept it? Because religion teaches that faith is what matters; 'if you'll only believe, then god will show you he's real.'

I have seen religious people overcome differences in culture, race, gender, and sexual orientation, give to the poor, adopt starving children, and much more. But you don't need religion to do these things. On the other hand, I have seen religious people hate and ridicule and destroy the lives of people who are only different from them in the religion they subscribe to (or the religion they don't subscribe to). Weak-minded people have a hard time tolerating criticism. They typically interpret it as the most intimate of personal attacks. Weak-minded people tend to feel the need to have the last word, to reassure themselves that they're right, and to dismiss criticism. Threats of hell and divine judgment are not uncommon to hear from religious believers, as most atheists know.

Now, there are undoubtedly smart people who are religious, but as a friend of mine has pointed out before, intelligence is relative. You can be a genius at math, while being weak-minded at history. My contention is not that religious people are all dolts or that none of them are intelligent, but that in the area of beliefs, truth claims, and the methods of assessing such things, religious believers are weak-minded. The evidence speaks for itself, with the innumerable fallacies that are to be found in the arguments for god and the criticisms of atheism. Religion does seem to be a crutch for many people. They can't imagine being a good person without believing what they believe. They can't imagine having hope or purpose apart from believing what they believe. At a certain point, we outgrow security blankets and have to face the darkness. A strong-minded person will walk through it with no need for the rod and staff of a mythical shepherd, carrying only his resolve and reason. He may be terrified at times, but progress will not be made without change, and change is not always pleasant. ... d.html?m=1
Forgiveness is Over-Rated
Posted on May 12, 2014 | 141 comments

One of the disturbing aspects of Christianity is that babies are born sinners and need forgiveness right out of the chute. In the eyes of God, the innocent child requires and receives the same forgiveness and pardons as the jailhouse convert. Yet there is no sense of justice if a newborn and murderer can both reach heaven through God’s unconditional absolution, if forgiveness is doled out like little uniform candies in a Pez dispenser, no matter the crime or offense.

It seems to me that the Christian God and his followers exercise poor judgment in forgiving people this way. Indeed I do not think our children should forgive everyone of everything because it encourages them to be doormats and victims. Preachers who counsel battered wives to forgive and endure abusive marriages are not magnanimous Christians but are perpetrators, too, just like the abusers.

Perhaps it is better to teach our children that, when people show us who they are with their words and actions, we should listen. They are telling us what makes them tick, and it’s not personal. If a person causes us harm or hurls insults (Donald Sterling), it stems from a flaw or an insecurity within him or her. If necessary, retribution for crimes or hurts are made through fines, confinement and estrangement.

This idea guides my life. When someone has treated me or others badly, when I see that a person is abusive or unkind, I choose not to have a relationship with him or her. This doesn’t mean that I’ve been reciprocally unkind. On the contrary, I believe in being cordial and keeping the peace. But I do not have to share my time or resources or foster a relationship with anyone—relative, stranger, coworker or neighbor—who would bring dysfunction or cause harm to me or my family.

I try to live so that I don’t need to give or receive forgiveness from myself or anyone else. There is peace this way. There is no anger, no sense of victimization, no need for revenge. It is simply making choices to do the right thing and to surround myself with people who bring no harm or deception. Sure, we all hurt each other sometimes, but small, occasional hurts can be tolerated and fixed.

What does forgiveness mean to you?

Some Relief due to Some Freedom of Belief

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:23 am
by secretnude
Thy Lords and Lasses
of thy Ruling Classes
hath thy blessings of thy Holy Worm
or Holy Chip
Peoples that chipped
into thy Policies
of thy State
at any rate.

There was still hate
amongst thy Holy Worm People
and thy Holy Chip People
that they both agreed
to submit to a Secular State
that they both hate
for thy sake
of making
this unhip
work through generations
but they still interfered
via Religious Fear.

Thy Secular State
thus stateth
Freedom of Belief
with which the Peoples of thy
Holy Worm
and thy
Holy Chip
are both hippeth.

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Here be thy Space Dragons

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:44 am
by secretnude
Thy Mighty Space Fortress
called Redemption faceth some duress
due to thy Mighty Alien Creature
that for sure is slowly melting
and eating
thy nice
Cometary Water Ice
against vile Cosmic Radiation.

Thy Space Knights
in thy Comet Ship Redemption
hath tonight
thy quest
to best
at any rate
thy 'Space Dragon'
that thy Space Knights

Thy Space Knights
thus walketh in the vacuum of Space
to face
thy first Alien Race
thy Space Knights
thus seeketh to eraseth.

A coordinated attack plan
by this Military Clan
thus was conceived
and need for a decoy
was perceived.

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Pull thy Holy Pin and Throw thy Holy Hand Grenade

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:50 am
by secretnude
Thy Space Knights
in thy Comet Ship Redemption
in thy quest
to kill thy Space Dragon
thus employeth
thy holographic decoys.

Thy Space Dragon
was quite confuseth
and soon felt thy abuse
by thy Space Knight's
Holy Hand Grenades
that aideth
in thy not so quick death
of thy Space Dragon
that was soon gone.

Thy Space Dragon
was able to seareth
thy Space Knight
that was near
but thy Space Knight's
Space Shield
to thy heat didn't quite easily yield
until thy brave Space Knight
took flight
and finisheth thy fight
with thy Space Knight's
Space Lance
by chance.

Thy Video Minstrel Press was impressed

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:46 am
by secretnude
Thy Space Knights in thy quest
to killeth
thy Space Dragon besteth
thy test
and entereth
thy Mighty Space Fortress
that I must mention
they calleth

Thy Space Knights thus unlocketh
thy airlock
and moveth out
of thy Powered Armor without a doubt.

Thy Space Knights
went to thy communal showers
and then dresseth to meet thy powers
that be in thy Generation Ship
that was hip.

Thy Hip
Generation Ship
Video Minstrel Press or VMP was liketh
a Minstrel that singeth
only praise
of thy Space Knights
that bravely faceth
and eraseth
thy so called Space Dragon

Thy High Priests of Thy Holy Chip

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:26 pm
by secretnude
A religion that stressed the magnificence of the universe as revealed by modern science, might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by traditional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge.
-- Carl Sagan, quoted from the United Universists front page
"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him."
- Arthur C. Clarke
Dr. Merril Line was a Technomage
of thy Priestly Order of thy Holy Chip
that was a Technoreligion
that hath significant traction
against thy Religion of thy Holy Worm.

Dr. Merril Line
was liketh Merlin
due to his union with thy Omega.

Thy Omega
is an almost all knowing
and powerful conscious being
that's a quantum supercomputer
in thy center
of thy hip
Generation Ship
that I must mention
is calleth Redemption.

Thy Order of thy Holy Chip
doesn't hath only thy Holy Neurochip
but also hath thy body senses,
strength and reflexes
greatly enhanced
by advanced
Nanotechnology by chance.
In Sweden CTRL+C and CTRL+V (the keyboard shortcuts for copying and pasting) are now recognized as part of an actual, official religion – Kopimism – which claims that these are holy symbols and reveres the act of copying and sharing files, according to the Los Angeles Times:
In a statement on the church’s website, he says its religious roots stem back to 2010 and that it formalized a community of file sharers that already has been “well spread” for a long time.

“The community of kopimi requires no formal membership,” he writes. “You just have to feel a calling to worship what is the holiest of the holiest, information and copy.”

(For those who are unaware, kopimi is pronounced “copy me.”)

According to the Church of Kopimism website, church services consist of “kopyactings,” whereby the “kopimists” share information with each other through copying and remixing.

Bertil Kallner of Sweden’s Financial and Administrative Services told the Swedish newspaper Gagens Nyheter that a religious community could “basically be anything.”

“What’s important is that it is a community for religious activities,” he said.

Still, it took the Church of Kopimism three tries over the course of a year before members were able to formalize their way of praying or meditation so that they could be recognized as an official religion.

Upwards of 3,000 people may be members of the church, though many hundreds of thousands more practice what the church preaches every day. It’s not surprising that we’re starting to see the lines between tech and religion begin to blur – even in a pretty humorous, bizarre way. I suspect the future will be filled with techno-religions of all stripes. ... -religion/
Kopimist Constitution (English)

Below is the first English translation of the Kopimist Consitution. It has not yet been reviewed by the Swedish Kopimist Council for official status, but we hope to obtain that soon!

The Missionary Church of Kopimism Values, Missionary Message and Constitution

The value System

Kopimism is based on a few basic axioms, which in turn can be traced back back to our strong defense of the intrinsic value of information, We ascribe this value to all information irrespective of its content. Since information and its intrinsic value are so sacred, we Kopimists recognize the following axioms:
- Copying of information is ethically right.
- Dissemination of information is ethically right.
- Copymixing is a sacred kind of copying, moreso than the perfect, digital copying, because it expands and enhances the existing wealth of information
- Copying or remixing information communicated by another person is seen as an act of respect and a strong expression of acceptance and Kopimistic faith.
- The internet is holy.
- Code is law.
Members of Kopimism (Kopimists) and Church of Kopimism recognized religious representatives (Operators) dedicate their lives to living in accordance with these axioms.
The only correct way for a Kopimist to live, is through the sanctification of these religious foundations.
a high school girl in North Carolina has been suspended for wearing a nose ring against school dress code. At issue is the girl’s (and her mother’s) claim that she has the right to wear her nose ring because it is a part of her religion. She and her mother belong to the “Church of Body Modification”. They argue that this issue falls under protections offered by the First Amendment.

The Church of Body Modification has “a clergy, a statement of beliefs and a formal process for accepting new members.” I guess this is the primary argument that this is a real religion. One of the church’s own clergy defines the church as “a non-theistic faith that draws people who see tattoos, piercings and other physical alterations as ways of experiencing the divine.”

This is an interesting case. It has really raised the question about what qualifies as a true religion. Who decides if a religion is authentic or just a clever way for a group of people to beat the system?

One interesting thing that the article brings up is the fact that the courts have dealt with the Church of Body Modification in the past. “…a woman was fired from her job at a Costco store over her eyebrow ring. The woman was also a member of the Church of Body Modification, but the courts eventually ruled that her religious beliefs did not require her to always wear her jewelry.”

This decision does not seem to bode well for the high school girl in this case. ... -religion/

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Appalled at thy destruction of thy Space Dragon

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:49 am
by secretnude
Dr. Line
was appalleth
at thy destruction
of thy Space Dragon
but thy line
to destroyeth
thy Dragon
was crosseth
when some of thy nice
Cometary Ice
that hath shieldeth
thy Inhabitants of thy Comet Ship
from death
due to a vile array
of harmful Cosmic Rays
hath been lost.

Thy cost
of replenishing
thy lost
Comet Ship Cosmic Ray Shield
was mostly labor performeth
by thy Space Knights
whose Power Suits thus shieldeth
thy Knights
from death.

During thy Space Dragon's death
Dr. Line
was online
in thy Ship neonet
and he did get
thy Ship sensor feeds

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Thy Dead Space Dragon was a Pregnant Space Dragon

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:40 am
by secretnude
Thy dead Space Dragon
didn't looketh
like thy Terran Dragon
but it was still calleth
a Dragon
because of its Breath
of Fire that thy Dragon
to melteth
then drinketh
thy nice
Watery Cometary Ice.

Thy fine
Dr. Line
was an Expert on Alien Life
that thy Whale Sized Alien Lifeform
that hath been depriveth
of thy life this night
by Space Knights
hath a Baby Dragon
in thy Dragon Belly
that hath been a Big Belly.

Thy Knights
with thy help from thy fine
Dr. Merrill Line
delivereth a fine
Baby Dragon
from thy dead Mommy Dragon.

Thy Baby Space Dragon Reality Telly Show

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:31 pm
by secretnude
Thy Baby Space Dragon
hath dark skin
like its dead Dragon kin.

Thy Baby Space Dragon
was a nice diversion
to thy social division
between thy Clothed Upper Classes
and thy naked masses
as thy naked masses
went to see thy Baby Space Dragon
that was on
a live video feed
to entertaineth thy feeble
minded bored masses
that hath been so poor even
to cover thy bare asses.

Thy Edenic
Gardens hath been struggling
to feed
thy struggling
lower classes indeed.

Thy Knightly Military Force
thus enforce
to avoid social disorder
by thy order
of thy Rulers.

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Hungry, naked and powerless

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:10 am
by secretnude
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.”
―Napoleon Bonaparte
Thy masses
that hath been so poor even
to cover thy bare asses
tend to thy Edenic
Gardens that hath been struggling
to feed thy struggling
poorer classes
unlike thy clothed Upper Classes.

Thy Class Struggle
hath been suppresseth
by thy repressive
Church and State
that both thy hate
to liberateth
thy masses
with bare asses
at any rate
as power at thy hands
they thus concentrateth.

I understandeth
thy penalty for treason
hath been death
for a reason
and thy reason
is this Ship
can't affordeth
an unhip
revolt since if thy crops faileth
thy Ship also faileth.
Napoleon was baptized a Catholic in Ajaccio at the Ajaccio Cathedral.1 His sentiments toward religion are seemingly contradictory. He was prone to commenting on religion and its roles, saying things like:

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.2


All religions have been made by men.3

However, some claim Bonaparte had a deep faith and belief in God.4 And during his years in exile, Bonaparte mused about his admiration for Jesus Christ. Having conquered nations by force and won allegiances with impressive rhetorical and political power, Bonaparte was impressed with Christ’s ability to have won the hearts of men with his message of love.5

Either way, it seems that religion was a tool for Bonaparte, and he used it wisely, allowing the peoples of his conquered land to continue practicing whatever faith was inherent in their culture. In this way, Bonaparte took a page from the Roman empire-building playbook. He once said:

It is by making myself Catholic that I brought peace to Brittany and Vendée. It is by making myself Italian that I won minds in Italy. It is by making myself a Moslem that I established myself in Egypt. If I governed a nation of Jews, I should reestablish the Temple of Solomon.6

It was tolerance, but tolerance with a power-centered agenda.

Nevertheless, we are best to call Napoleon a Catholic. He did receive a Catholic education, was French, and was given his last rights on his deathbed.7

The true nature of politics

Bonaparte was politics–the pursuit and acquisition of power. His ambition knew no bounds and by the end of his career (resulting in exile), he had either conquered or forced alliances with most of Europe.8 He once said:

I love power. But it is as an artist that I love it. I love it as a musician loves his violin, to draw out its sounds and chords and harmonies.9

In the end, Napoleon was no match for the Russians, and his armies suffered heavy causalities just outside of Moscow. Encouraged by his defeat, various European powers including the British, the Austrians, The Russians and the Prussians formed an alliance against him, ultimately defeating him and exiling him to an island called Elba off the west coast of Italy.

But Napoleon escaped, made his way to the French mainland where he met with an army of loyalists, and marched back to retake Paris. However, his return to power was short lived and he met with a coalition army at Waterloo in modern-day Belgium, where he was soundly defeated.10 Afterwards, he was sent to live out his days on the remote Saint Helena Island in the South Atlantic.

As the French Emperor, Napoleon instituted many reforms. He believed in a strong central government, and this even resulted in a formal political philosophy called Bonapartism. Beyond that, in a way, he was a child of the Enlightenment. Napoleon passed laws making all French males equal in the eyes of the law, established property rights and guaranteed religious liberty for all creeds, among other things11

And yet, his ego prevented him from allowing his people total freedom. For example, Napoleon’s regime exercised strict control over the press and would not allow any public criticism of the Emperor.12
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